Don’t Ask Don’t Care

I am incredibly disappointed and angered the repeal of “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell” failed in the Senate. The defeat was procedural as ‘only’ 57 senators voted to bring the bill forward. That meant a Republican filibuster was certain. The minority ruled!

It’s 2010. Gay Americans are a mainstream part of our society. Haven’t the senators watched cable recently?

Gay people aren’t a threat. They’re just people! That’s why my personal policy is “Don’t Ask. Don’t Care.”

DADT in general and today’s debacle in particular will be looked upon as an embarrassing moment in our history. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves.

22 Responses to “Don’t Ask Don’t Care”

  1. Jim says:

    Geoff,

    I served in the military as an officer in an infantry unit. In general you are correct. Its 2010 and it shouldn’t matter. However, it does. Not everyone has moved to the level of acceptance that you exercise. Specifically, the good old southern boy group is highly homophobic (I really hate to generalize but that’s what I’ve seen in my experiences in the Army). And guess who makes up a good portion of the infantry for example? There will be problems if openly gay soldiers server in this type of unit. There shouldn’t be but there will be.

  2. Mike X M says:

    Yes, it is exactly the same argument. It doesn’t hold even a drop of water. In the military you do whatever you are told or they throw you OUT. How about we end DADT, and if someone doesn’t want to go along with it, End THEIR military career, and maybe consider a court martial for disobeying an order while we are at it.

  3. George says:

    I’m with you Geoff. Well- I think they have to be consistent in congress. you know. We’re the only advanced country w/ a dont ask-dont tell policy and we’re the only advanced country w/out some form of healthcare for all its citizens.. We’ll get there.. by the end of the century :/

  4. Cory Lombard says:

    Totally with you Geoff…thank you so much for voicing your opinion on the subject…however, it is not “shame on us”, just “some of us”. Hard to believe it is 2010 when I see this happening. Disgusting.

  5. Dave says:

    Geoff

    Why must Reid/Pelosi (try to)jam all of these bills through congress, without any debate. One of the worst bills ever was the Health care disaster (note how hundreds of companies, ala McDonald’s, are getting Obama waivers). That bill passed without anyone even reading the bill (NO debate), including the AG whom is expected to enforce/interpret the law.

    This congress does not NOW have time to even vote on THE most important issues remaining. The resolution of the Bush tax cuts is time critical. The economy will be negatively impacted if the rates go up on 1 January. The lapse of unemployment benefits is also not being addressed, nor voted on.

    Why wasn’t DNDT repealled MONTHS ago (after valid debate on its implementation) – because Pelosi/Reid/Obama are ineffective. With the new House, there will be plenty of time to define a working DNDT bill. That trio once had a Super Majority – “unblockable” situation – and they failed!!

  6. Lloyd Fox says:

    Trying to stay stay non-confrontational here (really hard Geoff) but George’s argument that we are the only “advanced country” in the world with a don’t ask don’t tell policy is absurd!!!! First, did you do your homework on that to be sure??? Second, we are also the only “advanced country” in the world that can win a war if necessary and I wouldn’t want to copy what ANY other country does with their military. We have been the absolute best since 1918 and other countries dream of being as effective as our military.

  7. Mike says:

    Lloyd Fox,
    Just to pick your brain and not trying to deviate so far off the subject but what do the 7 year old war in Iraq, and the almost 10 year old war in Afghanistan mean to you? Are we winning those wars?

    I think George is not trying to say that we should throw out everything about the US Army and adopt a new style a la England per say but we can definitely improve it!
    I think repealing DADT would be a great improvement and i’m not sure why you’re against it?
    Do you think an openly gay soldier would not fight as well? Do you think if other soldiers realized another soldier was gay that they would all magically morph into limp handed, flower picking, high-fashioned homosexuals or something?

    Just something to think about.

  8. Lloyd Fox says:

    No, I just said that it is absurd to compare our military to other countries military. We are they best and they should emulate us. I said nothing against don’t ask don’t tell. You liberals always put words in my mouth (typing) and run with it. Proof enough!

  9. George says:

    Not to belabor the point. but Lloyd- you asked about me and home work.. well here ya go: countries that allow homosexuals: Albania
    Argentina
    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Canada
    Colombia
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Ireland. Israel
    Italy
    Japan
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Malta
    The Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Peru
    Philippines Poland
    Romania
    Russia
    Serbia
    Slovenia
    South Africa
    Spain Sweden
    Switzerland
    Taiwan United Kingdom
    Bermuda
    Uruguay
    — Really my point is anyone who wants to serve the country and does serve the country- I am completely grateful for their service. IWe didnt have a formal policy about this until 1993- I mean come on. Anyway- “cant we all just get along.”

    • Geoff Fox says:

      In a pissing contest everyone gets wet. No more sniping. I’m glad to get comments from both of you, but now on to the next subject!

  10. dave says:

    Well Geoff I disagree with you and about DADT. Gay marriage is part of the moral decline in america and the world. The truth is gays want toloerance but do not tolerate hetrosexuals themselves. Everytime they have a gay pride parade somewhere the strut down the street in their underwear kissing each other in public and and in front of little kids on sidewalks in their parade not feeling and sense of guilt or shame for what they do in front of kids which shows their mental illness or arrogance. Sorry but gay marriage is wrong and shows a moral decline. Unacceptable.

  11. dave says:

    When we die we face a judgement by our Creator and no one will be exempt from it.

  12. dave says:

    The truth is the American people had no choice or vote in gay marriage. In California the people of that state and others voted against it and some federal judge shot down what the people voted for. Don’t buy freedom of speech in America because it no longer exists thanks to federal judges who shoot down what the American people vote for. All the countries who allowed homosexual behavior including ancient Rome fell from power due to their loss of morals. The Senate was rampant with gay senators and leaders who molested children. They persecuted Christians as do our U.S. government and gays do. America has exalted her laws above God’s laws and will be judged for it. If America continues in it’s moral decline we may see a day we do not exist as ancient Rome no longer exists.

    • Geoff Fox says:

      Dave,

      Though we disagree I welcome your comments. However, much of your argument is based on an untruth: “All the countries who allowed homosexual behavior including ancient Rome fell from power due to their loss of morals.” That’s just not true. Here’s Wikipedia’s list of countries that allow gays to serve openly. In fact the U.S. is in a very slim minority in this regard.

      1.1 Albania
      1.2 Argentina
      1.3 Australia
      1.4 Austria
      1.5 Belgium
      1.6 Canada
      1.7 Colombia
      1.8 Czech Republic
      1.9 Denmark
      1.10 Estonia
      1.11 Finland
      1.12 France
      1.13 Germany
      1.14 Ireland
      1.15 Israel
      1.16 Italy
      1.17 Japan
      1.18 Lithuania
      1.19 Luxembourg
      1.20 Malta
      1.21 The Netherlands
      1.22 New Zealand
      1.23 Norway
      1.24 Peru
      1.25 Philippines
      1.26 Poland
      1.27 Romania
      1.28 Russia
      1.29 Serbia
      1.30 Slovenia
      1.31 South Africa
      1.32 Spain
      1.33 Sweden
      1.34 Switzerland
      1.35 Taiwan
      1.36 United Kingdom
      1.37 Bermuda
      1.38 Uruguay

  13. dave says:

    Well it comes down to a statement of faith. Those of us who believe in and worship God and believe the bible as God’s inspired Word clearly condemns homosexuality. I quote Jesus who said” In the beginning God created them male and female” “The male will leave his parents and cling to his wife” God gave Adam and Eve not Adam & Steve. Read the book of Romans where Paul clearly condemned homosexuality as a sin. I would have to be an atheist to think gay marriage is okay. Also as I said they perform their homosexual kissing in front of kids. Little kids at every gay pride parade. May God restore America and the world to sanity. Also gays wrote a bible version for themselves called the gay bible Geoff. Perverting the Sacred Word of God. the Gay bible. Look it up. There is no such thing as homophobia. there are those of us who believe it is moraly wrong and against the Creators design for conception of life.

    • Geoff Fox says:

      Dave -

      Are you suggesting we are or should be a Christian nation? The First Amendment seems pretty clear we are not.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      I am not a biblical scholar, but if the Bible is your guide and should be followed without question how do we deal with this:

      Exodus 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.”

      Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”

      Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”

      Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.”

      Deuteronomy 25:11-12 “If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”

      I respect your religious beliefs and will do everything I can to protect your right to be observant. However, I will oppose any attempt to impose your views on others.

  14. davey says:

    Well Geoff, I don’t hate gay people. Sorry if it sounded like I did. It’s easy to see things in black and white. I don’t know what made gay people gay. Maybe they should not be denied work,home,healthcare insurance family etc. I was spouting and apologize. I have a daughter who lives in Massachusetts doing heroine and cocaine. She lost 5 kids to the state( My grandkids)due to drugs and no matter what I say to her she won’t do rehab. She yells at me on the phone about not wanting to hear about rehab. I have no grandkids to visit and buy christmas gifts for. I wanted to spout off. What is tougher is her husband is her dealer and I can’t do anything because she’s 32. I hate heroine dealers badly. I know why she turned to drugs. She was victim of rape so it’s not joyous this year so I apologize. I have been praying for my daughter each day.

    • Geoff Fox says:

      Dave – I am glad you’ve commented. I like seeing other opinions. That’s how I learn.

      I wish you strength on your other concerns. Some questions have no good answers.

  15. davey says:

    You know what I hate? Heroine dealers take peoples lives and get out of jail in a year or two. I work with gay people in work and we get along and yes they should be treated with dignity. What’s hard about my daughter’s drug addiction is I’ve bench pressed 400 lbs and deadlifted 500. In boxing I was good enough to spar with a former world contender and if I had my way I’d clean my dauhter’s dealers clock in a nano second but I can’t do that. Not without hurting my wife. She’d be hurt if I got locked up so I don’t bother. Laws are funny in america. Major drug dealers as I said get out in a year or two and go right back to dealing drugs.

  16. Dan says:

    From II Timothy (3:1-5), Know that in the last days perilous times will come. for men will be lovers of themselves,lovers of money,boasters,proud,blasphemers,disobediant to parents,unthankful,unholy. Unloving,unforgiving,slanderers without self control,brutal,despisers of good. Traitors,headstrong,haughty,lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. this is what is going on today prophecied by Paul the Apostle. I’m all ears Geoff if you want to debate.

  17. Dan says:

    America will not survive with God. Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me. All that is done in darkness will be brought out into the light”. Anyway it is obvious ABC,NBC,CBS is liberal controlled media. Fox News however gives the conservative point of view.

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